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Re: Ironclad Armada-Free Source book

Postby murtalianconfederacy » Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:02 pm

Its me again...:)

I am thinking of converting some of the later armoured cruisers of the RN (the Shannon, Nelson and Comus class). I do know that the latter two were only completed and commissioned in 1880 or later, but I'm in need of some vessels to convert...:)
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Re: Ironclad Armada-Free Source book

Postby bekosh » Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:03 pm

Go for it! Those look very doable.
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Re: Ironclad Armada-Free Source book

Postby murtalianconfederacy » Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:03 am

Yep, I got the information I think I need. The Comus might be slightly difficult to do, and I'm not entirely sure about the arcs of the light guns on the Nelson class, but I've got the notes and I'm ready to start preliminary conversion notes. I'm thinking of giving all of them Armour Plating because they've all got armoured decks (in the case of the Comus, only armoured decks) as that seems to be the best way to model their better buoyancy protection. The Comus I'll give shields of 1 and armour plating, and the Nelson/Shannon conversions armour plating and faceted shields. If I can, I might even do a French armoured cruiser around that time (not sure of the name though)
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Re: Ironclad Armada-Free Source book

Postby murtalianconfederacy » Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:28 pm

Here are the conversions (I work quick sometimes, don't I?). I designed two Shannons, for the simple reason the first one I'm not that keen on--however, its more in keeping with the conversion rules set out.

HMS Shannon 1 (British armoured cruiser) (262) (1875)
Hull: 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines [TL 1]: 6 6 5 4 4 3 2 2 1
Faceted [TL 1]: 20 18 16 14 12 9 7 5 3
Facets: 3/4/4/4/4/1
Weapon Hit Chart: [VW] [V] [W] [W] [W] [W]
Weaponry [TL 0]:
Battery V: UH Rifle [AC] [BD]
Battery W: VH Rifle [C] [C] [C] [D] [D] [D] [JKL]
Special [TL 0]: Ram, 16 Marines

Notes: 3 SU left, but I had to massively reduce the number of marines Shannon carries (she should have 22 marines). I also couldn't fit the armour plating to represent the armoured deck, so there is an 'alternate' design. I also reduced the armour of Shannon as it was stated that her armour belt was very shallow. To be honest, I'm not that happy with this vessel--in that, it seems to mirror the Admiralty's thoughts regarding Shannon...

HMS Shannon 2 (British armoured cruiser) (262) (1875)
Hull: 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines [TL 1]: 6 6 5 4 4 3 2 2 1
Faceted [TL 1]: 15 14 12 10 9 7 5 4 2
Facets: 4/3/3/2/2/1
Weapon Hit Chart: [VW] [V] [W] [W] [W] [W]
Weaponry [TL 0]:
Battery V: UH Rifle [AC] [BD]
Battery W: VH Rifle [C] [C] [C] [D] [D] [D] [JKL]
Special [TL 0]: Ram, 16 Marines, Armour Plating

Notes: exactly 1740SUs. This vessel has a markedly different faceted armour layout to mirror the tactics that were thought out--basically, ram the enemy, while using the 10" guns to engage the enemy. If the ramming attempt fails, the 9" guns were to be fired electrically. The Shannon has a forward armoured bulkhead as thick as the belt, but aft there is hardly any armour save the belt, and the seven 9" guns were unarmoured, so this is why I decided to place the facets this way--in order to try and force the captain of this vessel to fight how it was intended to fight. Of the two, I prefer this vessel, but its for everyone to decide.

Nelson class (2 in class) (British armoured cruiser) (481) (1876)
Hull: 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines [TL 1]: 6 6 5 5 4 4 3 3 2 2 1
Faceted [TL 1]: 22 20 18 16 14 12 10 8 6 4 2
Facets: 3/4/4/4/4/3
Weapon Hit Chart: [VW] [VW] [VX] [WX] [WX] [WX]
Weaponry [TL 1]:
Battery V: UH Rifle [AC] [BD] [CE] [DF]
Battery W: VH Rifle [C] [C] [C] [C] [D] [D] [D] [D]
Battery X: Light Rifle [ACE] [ACE] [ACE] [BDF] [BDF] [BDF]
Special [TL 1]: Ram, Armour Plating, 28 Marines

Notes: 54 SU remaining. As mentioned in one of my earlier posts, I wasn't sure about the arcs of the 20 pdr guns on-board, so I decided to make them into 180 degree arcs (which is likely horribly incorrect). The armour layout seemed much closer to a normal central battery vessel, so I decided to design it with that in mind. I'm much happier with this vessel than the Shannon. The only difference I made was to have the class speed set at the speed of the slower member of the class, which only made 13 kn instead of the 14 of her faster sister.

Comus class (9 in class, but some completed post-1880) (British iron corvette) (134) (1878)
Hull: 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines [TL 1]: 7 6 5 4 3 2
Faceted [TL 1]: 10 9 7 5 4 2
Facets: 1/2/2/2/2/1
Weapon Hit Chart: [VW] [VW] [2W] [2W] [WX] [WX]
Weaponry [TL 1]:
Battery V: Heavy Rifle [ABCD] [CDEF]
Battery W: Medium Rifle [C] [C] [C] [C] [D] [D] [D] [D] [HJ] [HJ] [IK] [IK]
Battery X: Whitehead Torpedo [C] [D] Ammo: 4
Special [TL 1]: Ram, Armour Plating, 12 Marines

Notes: 248(!) SU left. This class was a bit difficult to do, not least because the gun arc diagram I found for the Comus was slightly confusing at first sight, plus resisting the urge to improve the 'shield' rating. On the whole, though, I'm quite pleased with the results.

EDIT: Switched to the faceted arcs suggested by bekosh
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Re: Ironclad Armada-Free Source book

Postby bekosh » Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:08 pm

The Comus & Nelson look great.
One thing you could do on the Comus is give it Faceted 10 (1/2/2/2/2/1) like the large frigates to account for the stronger Steel hull. That would bring the CRAT to 134 and left over su's down to 255.

For the light guns on the Nelson, maybe [HJ][IK] would be more realistic than [ACE][BDF]. Not that 'realistic' is a common term when playing Starmada. :lol:

On the Shannon, I guess I would lean towards the first one but I understand what you're saying about the second one and pushing the player to fight more historically. :|
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Re: Ironclad Armada-Free Source book

Postby bekosh » Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:46 pm

I did a little more research on the Shannon and Nelson. It appears that your 2nd Shannon is actually closer to reality. It's armor really is a heavy forward bulkhead that thins out down the sides. Plus the 9 inch armor plus 13 inch wood backing should probably be an armor of 5, so I'm going to recommend a little stronger Faceted 21 (5/4/4/3/3/2). With all tech levels at +1 for being after 1876, it will fit with 154 su's left over after bringing the Marine complement up to the proper 22.
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Type: SHANNON-class ROYAL NAVY ARMORED CRUISER (332)
Hull: 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL1] 6 6 5 4 4 3 2 2 1
Faceted: [TL1] 21 19 17 14 12 10 7 5 3
Facets: (5,4,4,3,3,2)
Weapons: [TL1] 1:[VW] 2:[V] 3:[W] 4:[W] 5:[W] 6:[W]
Battery V: Ultra Heavy Rifle (Shot), 5/10/15, 1/4+/3/3, Slow-Firing
Ultra Heavy Rifle (Shell), 5/10/15, 1/4+/3/4, Non-Piercing -1; Slow-Firing
[AC] [BD]
Battery W: Very Heavy Rifle (Shot), 5/10/15, 1/4+/2/3, Slow-Firing
Very Heavy Rifle (Shell), 5/10/15, 1/4+/2/4, Non-Piercing -1; Slow-Firing
[C] [C] [C] [D] [D] [D] [JKL]
Special: [TL1] Armor Plating; Marines (22); Ram (1)

Then the Nelson is basically a double ended version of the Shannon with the same armored bulkhead both forward and aft. So ignore the rule book limit of 25 and go with Faceted 26 (5/4/4/4/4/5). It'll fit if you combine it with changing the Light Rifles to [HJ][IK] arcs.

Type: NELSON-class ROYAL NAVY ARMORED CRUISER (631)
Hull: 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL1] 6 6 5 5 4 4 3 3 2 2 1
Faceted: [TL1] 26 24 22 19 17 15 12 10 8 5 3
Facets: (5,4,4,4,4,5)
Weapons: [TL1] 1:[VW] 2:[VW] 3:[VX] 4:[WX] 5:[WX] 6:[WX]
Battery V: Ultra Heavy Rifle (Shot), 5/10/15, 1/4+/3/3, Slow-Firing
Ultra Heavy Rifle (Shell), 5/10/15, 1/4+/3/4, Non-Piercing -1; Slow-Firing
[AC] [BD] [CE] [DF]
Battery W: Very Heavy Rifle (Shot), 5/10/15, 1/4+/2/3, Slow-Firing
Very Heavy Rifle (Shell), 5/10/15, 1/4+/2/4, Non-Piercing -1; Slow-Firing
[C] [C] [C] [C] [D] [D] [D] [D]
Battery X: Light Rifle, 3/6/9, 1/4+/1/1
[HJ] [HJ] [HJ] [IK] [IK] [IK]
Special: [TL1] Armor Plating; Marines (22); Ram (1)
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Re: Ironclad Armada-Free Source book

Postby murtalianconfederacy » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:37 pm

I'm happy with those two...:)

I had lowered the armour thickness on the Shannon because the belt was very shallow, but after thinking about it (and getting a book about the RN with some very good drawings (side-on, though, not plan) which mentioned the French and some German vessels had shallow belts themselves, I'm perfectly happy with your two designs...:)

BTW, because of said book, I might have four new designs up--three gunboat designs (Vixen, Medina and Ant) and the Iris class dispatch cruiser. Just need the complements--the book is great, but lacks complement sizes, so I've had to ballpark it...:(
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Re: Ironclad Armada-Free Source book

Postby murtalianconfederacy » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:01 pm

Just one thing I've noticed, though. I was looking at a description of Hercules in said book that stated it's 9" and 7" guns were bow and stern chasers, with one 9" and 2 7" in the bows and stern, but the arcs on the conversion have the 9" as broadside guns. I don't think it'd be too hard a change--simply swap the HJ/IK arcs with AB/EF arcs for the VH rifles.
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Re: Ironclad Armada-Free Source book

Postby murtalianconfederacy » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:11 pm

Problems with converting the Vixen class and the Medina class. The Vixen class, I've got the weapons, but not their arcs, and I don't think there are any diagrams out there. I might place the 7" guns in a HJ/IK arc and the 20 pr in chase arcs (AB/EF). The Medina I've got arc issues (mainly exactly how the three 64pr are arranged--two fire forward, so I'm also thinking of placing the third one aft, but not exactly sure of their arcs, so I'm plumping for a AC/BD/EF arc) and seeing as Wiki has no information on the class whatsoever (apart from the ships in the class), I'm having to guess at the complement here--I'm guessing around 40 or so, to give her 2 Marines. The Iris class, not sure on their arcs but seeing as I counted five gunports on the side of the Iris, and there are ten 64/68pr for the original layout (and the refits seem to be post-1880), I'm going with 2 AC/BD/CE/DF arcs and 1 HJ/IK arc. The best vessel I've got to convert is the Ant--a simple conversion--just one 10" gun (on a displacement of 254t!) fixed forward. Thats the only simple conversion I've got...:(

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Re: Ironclad Armada-Free Source book

Postby bekosh » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:50 pm

murtalianconfederacy wrote:BTW, because of said book, I might have four new designs up--three gunboat designs (Vixen, Medina and Ant) and the Iris class dispatch cruiser. Just need the complements--the book is great, but lacks complement sizes, so I've had to ballpark it...:(

Conways has the following complements.
Vixen-80
Medina-51
Ant-30
Iris-275

murtalianconfederacy wrote:Just one thing I've noticed, though. I was looking at a description of Hercules in said book that stated it's 9" and 7" guns were bow and stern chasers, with one 9" and 2 7" in the bows and stern, but the arcs on the conversion have the 9" as broadside guns. I don't think it'd be too hard a change--simply swap the HJ/IK arcs with AB/EF arcs for the VH rifles.

Thanks, I've been working on an Errata page since I've found some more info on the firing arcs for the Sultan & Termeraire.
Here's the revised Hercules. I fixed the firing arcs with the 9" (VHR) fore and aft, 4 of the 10"(UHR) to the corners of the battery with restricted arcs and the 7" (HR) to the corners. I also went ahead and increased the armor to Faceted 20 (2/4/4/4/4/2) and the hull size to 12 since she should have the same armor strength as the Sultan.

HMS HERCULES (1 in class) 1868
Type: ROYAL NAVY CENTRAL BATTERY IRONCLAD (365)
Hull: 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Engines: [TL1] 6 6 5 5 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1
Faceted: [TL1] 20 19 17 15 14 12 10 9 7 5 4 2
Facets: (2,4,4,4,4,2)
Weapons: [TL0] 1:[VX] 2:[V] 3:[V] 4:[V] 5:[W] 6:[X]
Battery V: Ultra Heavy Rifle (Shot), 5/10/15, 1/4+/3/3, Slow-Firing
Ultra Heavy Rifle (Shell), 5/10/15, 1/4+/3/4, Non-Piercing -1; Slow-Firing
[H] [I] [C] [C] [D] [D] [J] [K]
Battery W: Very Heavy Rifle (Shot), 5/10/15, 1/4+/2/3, Slow-Firing
Very Heavy Rifle (Shell), 5/10/15, 1/4+/2/4, Non-Piercing -1; Slow-Firing
[AB] [EF]
Battery X: Heavy Rifle (Shot), 4/8/12, 1/4+/1/2, Slow-Firing
Heavy Rifle (Shell), 4/8/12, 1/4+/1/3, Non-Piercing -1; Slow-Firing
[AC] [BD] [CE] [DF]
Special: [TL0] Marines (27); Ram (1)

I have a deck plan for the Iris but it doesn't show any guns, but I do have the later Mersey class which was an updated Leander which was an update of the Iris design. :lol: That shows 2 guns on each side on sponsons and the remainder in battery (except for the extra 8" guns) so I think 1 each [AC][BD][CE][DF] with the remainder as C & D arc.
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I have nothing on the Vixen myself so your guess sounds good to me.
The Medina I have a deck plan but it only looks to have 2 guns :?: So take your best guess.
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